Guns and bars should mix
Hypervenomx proximo ii ic nike tiempo camo it too late for Ben Goeser to care whether guns are allowed in restaurants or bars or wherever in Tennessee. But if his widow, Nikki Goeser, could have legally carried the gun her late husband bought her for protection into the Nashville restaurant where he was murdered on April 2, 2009, she believes that night might have turned out differently, that she might still have her husband.
Nikki and Ben Goeser ran a karaoke business that bounced them from bar to sports bar to restaurant, enticing patrons to lose their inhibitions with some Don McLean or The Eagles or whoever else was listed in the big book of other people songs.
The couple trouble with a man named Hank Wise began when he started showing up where the couple set up their karaoke shop. They did so every Thursday night at Jonny Sports Bar at 5805 Nolensville Pike, near its intersection with Old Hickory Boulevard.
After Nikki said Wise sent inappropriate messages to her through MySpace, her husband approached him during one of the karaoke nights and told him to stop the contact.
For a while, Wise abided the request. That is, until he showed up at Jonny one night just over a year ago. Shortly nike tiempo camo after Nikki spotted Wise who was talking with Ben she asked management to have Wise thrown out.
Nikki said that as her husband worked at the karaoke computer, Wise was told to leave. According to an arrest warrant, while being confronted, Wise pulled a.45 caliber Ruger from his jacket and shot Ben once in the head, then fired five more shots into him. Wise murder trial is set to begin in November.
was a right to carry permit holder at the time of my husband death, Nikki Goeser said, because of Tennessee state law, I had to leave my legal, permitted weapon locked in my car just outside the front door. And I got to tell you, I wonder every day what the outcome could have been. weeks ago, state Rep. Harry Tindell of Knoxville introduced an amendment in a House committee that he said would revert this year guns in bars bill back to a similar version that became law last summer. It also would remove the vagueness that eventually caused a Davidson County chancellor to deem it unconstitutional last fall.
Tindell amendment would allow permit holders to carry guns in restaurants serving alcohol but require business owners to post a sign prohibiting carrying when alcohol sales made up more than 50 percent of overall sales. Other owners would also be allowed to post no gun signs if they chose.
State Sen. Doug Jackson sees what he called issues with Tindell amendment, arguing there is no enforcement mechanism in the bill.
assures that? Who oversees that? Jackson asked. they required to post but they don post, can a permit holder rely on the fact that there no posting and walk into that establishment without running afoul of the law? companion bill to the House bill that Tindell amended passed the Senate last week, and the full House is expected to have its own debate as soon as this week.
The Senate bill and its companion bill, sponsored by Rep. Curry Todd in the House, would allow permit holders to carry in establishments that serve alcohol provided the establishment is not posted and the permit holder does not consume any alcohol.
Regarding what he called claims of increased violence and crime by the media and opponents of guns in bars/restaurants bills, Jackson pointed back to the four month period between July and November of last year, when the previous guns in restaurants law was in effect.
of that happened, and that was not a surprise to me, Jackson said, we looked closely at the experience of other states that have had the same or similar laws for many, many years, and they have not had any pattern of hypervenomx proximo ii ic problems. for a permitted carry holder who has worked security at downtown bars, concern about allowing guns into places known primarily as drinking establishments is real.
Jacob Calvin, who goes by Nick, has worked security either as an employee or during special events through security firms hypervenomx proximo ii ic at many of the downtown bars and clubs, including Bar Flys, Graham Central Station and Fuel.
a handgun carry permit holder myself, and I all about having your Second Amendment rights, Calvin said. I want to have a handgun on me when I want to go have dinner with my family at Chili or Applebee or a restaurant that has a bar in it, that fine if I not drinking.
to me, if you going to a bar a honky tonk and you not drinking and you carrying a gun, you there to shoot somebody. There no other reason why you should carry a gun into a thug club or a honky tonk style bar that doesn really serve food, because you not there to have a great steak, and to me, you looking for trouble. Harris, executive director of the Tennessee Firearms Association, tagged along with Goeser for an interview with The City Paper. He said while variations of the hot button guns in restaurants/bars bill have been floated since 1996, problem always comes down to, how do you define those bad places sufficiently to overcome the vagueness issue that troubled the court last year? wouldn speculate about the Goesers case specifically, although he left the door open.
a gun have saved Ben Goeser life that night? I don know, I don know, Jackson said. know this: He dead today, and he had no chance under the [current] circumstances. And possibly if Nikki had had access to her gun, her husband may be alive.
on 5/3/10 at 6:19
Dargent, I know NIkki and have personally heard her version of what happened that night. SInce you weren’t there, all you can do is speculate, and from a position of ignorance at that.
As for the idiot bouncer in the article, « But to me, if you’re going to a bar a honky tonk and you’re not drinking and you’re carrying a gun, you’re there to shoot somebody, this guy is a total jerkoff. I guess he’s unfamiliar with the concept of designated driver? Or someone that doesn’t drink, period, yet might enjoy the music? This was a reasonably unbiased article until they quoted this butthole. Why is he crowing to his friends about recently threatening his married mistress’ husband, Richard Farmer, with a duel at LP Field at sunrise to settle their dispute? Todd really loves guns to solve all arguments. His medical rep « friend, Lea Ann Glen Farmer, has been seen with him numerous times at Morton’s, TN Waltz (w/pictures online), recent golf tournament in Memphis, The Rondevous in Memphis and numerous public outings. The married Todd, who is a candidate for Speaker of the House in the next session, is just using the guns bill to raise money for his Speaker’s campaign.
on 5/3/10 at 10:26
Should there should be no such thing as a « gun free » zone without metal detectors AND personnel trained in security or law enforcement managing the points of entry? Most permit holders who carry on a daily basis don’t even nike tiempo camo like being dis armed to get on a commercial airliner, but at least there has been adequate screening in most cases.
The « honor system » sucks as a way to control criminals. If the honor system is such a good idea, then why spend the money to put bars and locks on the doors at the jails? For that matter, why do we need police at all? Let’s just post the rules somewhere and let everyone abide by them.
For those who think that Nikki couldn’t have saved her husband, I encourage you to do some research on armed self defense. This site only posts news articles with documentation on the incidents. Feel free to confirm the info for yourselves. This too is armed self defense. (Would Nikki’s behavior or proximity to her husband have been different if she had that resource at her disposal? I do think it is safe to say that if she was willing to give up her protection to follow the rules, she would have also obeyed the rules if they told her she couldn’t drink while armed in a bar. It is short sighted to say she could not have affected the outcome of the situation especially given that she did take protective action by doing the only thing she could at the time asking him to be removed.)
Another argument we hear over and over that the permit holder will shoot innocent people. Please show me the documentation. Yes anything is possible, yet somehow this doesn’t seem to be in the statistics.
I would like to challenge the « 8 second » argument also. 8 seconds is more than enough time to react. Please do your research on this also. If the gun is in the holster, most first shots are around1.5 to 2 seconds including the time nike tiempo camo to draw for anyone who practices at all. Pros (civilians who shoot competitively and well trained police/military can easily go from gun in a holster to a well placed first shot in less than 1 second. This includes the reaction time of them realizing that they need to draw the gun. I am not saying that Nikki is one of these, but to say the situation would only have been worse if she had her gun is (at best) naive nike tiempo camo.